Understanding Goethe & Nietzsche w/ Aron van Os and Charlie Brown (Stephan) - Lucas Vos Podcast #20

Today Aron and Stephan brought the spirits of Nietzsche and Goethe to the conversation, eliciting insightful interactions and countless thoughts and ideas for future talks. Please enjoy!

 

Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDau4kobho&feature=youtu.be

 

Timestamps:

(0:00) Introduction and Aron's Nietzsche talk in Mannheim

(5:59) How would Goethe have viewed the modern age?

(22:55) How would Nietzsche have viewed the modern age?

(31:23) Goethe's fluidity and Nietzsche's influence on Freud

(42:05) How would Goethe have viewed Nietzsche's work?

(47:22) Spinoza's influence on Goethe and Nietzsche

(56:40) Where do we start to read Spinoza?

(59:00) Final words on Goethe and Nietzsche (for now)

(01:01:40) Stephan's comment on the enlightenment and reducing Christianity to ethics.

(1:16:30) Outro

 

 

Books mentioned:

Jane Brown - Goethe's Allegories of Identity:

https://www.amazon.com/-/pt/gp/aw/d/0812245822/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1700473806&sr=8-1

Irvin D. Yalom - The Spinoza problem:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465061850/ref=mp_s_a_1_13?crid=22SMGFG9Y52ON&keywords=irvin+yalom&qid=1700472600&sprefix=Irvin+%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-13

Irvin D. Yalom - When Nietzsche Wept:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062009303/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=IDVDQGATWPLQ&keywords=irvin+yalom+nietzsche&qid=1700472662&sprefix=irvin+yalom+nietzscbe%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1

Spinoza's work:

Treatise On The Emendation Of The Intellect (30 page PDF):

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/125505/5036_Spinoza_On_the_Improvement_of_Understanding.pdf

The Ethics:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140435719/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1959UU74OH2S2&keywords=spinoza&qid=1700472966&sprefix=spinoz%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-3

The Theological Political Treatise:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CRNQ59X/ref=mp_s_a_1_6_sspa?crid=1959UU74OH2S2&keywords=spinoza&qid=1700472966&sprefix=spinoz%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-6-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1

Peter Gay - The Enlightenment: The Rise of Modern Paganism":

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393313026/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2ZH1VY8AGH5RR&keywords=Modern+Paganism+Peter&qid=1700473440&s=books&sprefix=modern+paganism+peter%2Caps%2C162&sr=1-1